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**Changing an Automatic into a Standard**

Post questions and answers about various Drive train related topics such as Transmissions, Rear Ends, Axles, etc.

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ah0y all. OSS here with an interesting article I found on how to change an automatic to a standard. It gives you all the tools you need along with the parts. Perhaps it would be beneficial to sticky this.

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Many questions have been asked if a manual transmission can be installed into an A4 F-body. The answer is yes! To do the job correctly for parts you will need:


Pilot Bushing (New)

Flywheel (New or Used)

Clutch Disc (New)

Pressure Plate (New)

Release Bearing (New)

Bellhousing W/Release fork from an F-body (Used)

Transmission from an F-body (Used)

Either Hydraulic or manual release mechanism (Used)

Clutch/Brake pedal assembly, entire assy, not just pedals (Used)

Shifter (Used)

Lower shift boot (Used)

Upper console swap with upper shift boot (The console is cut for the shifter throw) (Used)
Some parts will need to be bought new while others could be found in a wrecking yard or in a swap magazine or swap meet.

Invest $2 into a clutch alignment tool. Torque all bolts to proper settings.

First off, the tranny & bellhousing need to be from an F-body being there is a 45 degree offset in the way the tranny bolts to the bellhousing. This is probably for ground clearance, I don't know.

Next step is to remove the distributor cap. You will be tilting the engine & the cap will break when it hits the firewall. I found out the hard way. The use of a tranny jack during the process will be helpful being the A4 trannys are heavy & awkward. I used a regular 2-ton floor jack being my tranny was junk & I did not care about damage. I removed my A4 in this order: driveshaft, (cap output shaft to prevent leakage), crossmember bolts, (the crossmembers were the same for A4 & M5, in my car anyway) tranny mount bolt, torque arm bolts at tranny only, (I found it not necessary to remove the entire torque arm).

Using the jack lower tranny to get to bellhousing bolts. The top 2 bolts after the tilt will require a long extension aproximately 18" with wobble to easily get to them. Remove shifter cable at tranny & downshift cable at TB. Remove feed & return lines at radiator & cap off. When tranny is out, do the same at tranny. Remove lockup & speedo wires or cable. Remove tranny.

If your starter is weak or on it's way out, as mine was, now is the best time to replace it.

Install pilot bushing, flywheel, taking care to use the flywheel bolts from the donor care being auto & manual flywheels are different & have different bolts. The instal the disc, pressure plate & using the alignment tool, align disc & tighten pressure plate in a cross pattern then remove the tool, install bellhousing with clutch fork & release bearing.

For hydraulic clutches, install the slave to the bellhousing. The long extension will not be needed being you can now easily get to all 6 bellhousing bolts. Install transmission. It will be tight. This is because of the new pilot bushing. I put the tranny in gear & turned the output shaft to help the input shaft mate with splines on the disc.

When the tranny is seated, install the 4 retaining bolts. Jack tranny & mark center hump where the shifter will protrude. You will need to cut a hole here. I used the dimensions that I found in the boneyard cars, 6 1/4" X 7 1/2". The center console, E-brake arm, & shifter need to be removed at this point.

After the floor is cut, you can raise the tranny, install the mount bolt, torque arm bolts, crossmember bolts, & driveshaft. Install correct amount of tranny fluid. You will need to know if your tranny uses Dexron or gear oil. Install speedo wire or cable if so equipped. My car has the electronic speed sensor & the tranny is a cable. If you car has an electronic speed sensor, make sure you find an electronic speed sensor from a V6 tranny & install it in your "new" tranny or you will stall at every stop being the car will have to "hunt" for an idle being it does not know what speed the car is at. The lockup wires need not be jumped being the car has no torque converter anymore.

In the car, while it is not an absolute "have to", it does make the job easier & faster if you remove the steering column to aid in removing the brake pedal assy & installing the "new" brake/clutch pedal assy. You will need to cut your firewall wall to install the release mechanism. The master cylinder & power brake booster will need to be removed to aid in the install. Ifyou have the factory padding under the carpet, you will see the cutout for the clutch cable which will be a perfect template. If not, you will need to take the measurements from the car in which you removed the clutch assy. Remove the 4 bolts on the firewall which also aid in the removal of the vacuum booster & 1 bolt vertically above & in front of the brake pedal assy. Remove the entire assy & replace with the clutch pedal assy. It is important to note here that if your existing pedal assy, such as mine was, does not have the provision for the extra pedal, or if you are not sure, it would be wise while at the boneyard to just get the entire assy. That way you will not have to worry about not having the parts needed to complete the job. Install brake booster, master cylinder, clutch pedal assy, clutch cable, brake arm, neutral safety switch, stoplight switch & cruise disengage switch if so equipped.

To install shifter, you will need to remove the center console, brake lever & shifter. I removed my ignition key lock cable from the ignition switch & discarded it. I found the clutch neutral switch wires taped up under my dash which made life easy so the clutch has to be depressed to start car. It is a purple/yellow pair. For the shifter, install it to the tranny, find which wires activate your reverse lights & wire them to the connector on the side of your tranny so they will come on when you shift into reverse.

Install lower boot, E-brake arm, console & upper shifter console.

You're done! If you have a hydraulic clutch, it is self adjusting, for a manual "Z" bar, you need to adjust it before you can drive. Proper adjustment is the clutch engaging about 1 1/2" from floor with no pressure on pedal when it is fully released. This is so the release bearing has no undue stress on pressure plate fingers.

Clean up, drive away, have fun!

This was the 1st time I did this & I spent 11 man-hours spread out over 2 days. I have 2:73's and noticed a decrease in my off-the-line performance but my all around was a much more noticeable, more "drive-able" improvement.

The donor car was an 86 IROC-Z and the receiving car was an 86 Trans Am. Total cost for all donor car parts from my local "pick-n-pull" was $250, but your particular "pick-n-pull" may charge more or less. If you plan on putting in a T-56, email Andris Skulte (skulte@skulte.com) as he has done this to his IROC.

Any questions, feel free to email me.
ButchN (butchnn@yahoo.com)


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Very nice write up. I'm just waiting for the auto in mine to die so I have an excuse for the swap. Also for those that don't want to take the time to accumulate the parts fbodymotorsports and hawksthirdgen offer swap kits with everything needed.
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clw91rs, if you ever need any parts for your swap, I have a 3.1 and the manual trans behind it sitting in my garage taking up space. And all the manual parts I took out for an auto I put in...
WHERE DID ALL THE MONEY GO?????
 

 
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92 stroker wrote:
clw91rs, if you ever need any parts for your swap, I have a 3.1 and the manual trans behind it sitting in my garage taking up space. And all the manual parts I took out for an auto I put in...


How much do you want for it?
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this very nice, there are a few sites on this, the t-56 is http://www.skulte.com
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100 bucks for both. I don't know what shipping would be, but obviously it would probably be a bit from lower alabama to north California. But let me tell you a few things first. When I got the car, the previous owner said it didn't run. But looking under the hood, the wiring told me why...
So I don't want to guarantee that everything is a bolt in work. I would go through the motor first. The trans looks untouched.
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oh, and if it makes a difference, the car was a california car, so it was built to the federal standards...
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i hate to renig, but i just noticed a crack in the side of the block. don't wanna sell garbage, but if ya need parts...
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92 stroker wrote:
i hate to renig, but i just noticed a crack in the side of the block. don't wanna sell garbage, but if ya need parts...


I would actually only need the stuff for the tranny swap, my engine only has about 8000 miles on it. Let me get through the holiday season and if you still have it in about a month I'll be interested, my auto is starting to go out.
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just let me know.
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now in this swap i must ask do you have to change the computer or reflash it????? thanks i need to no because i am doign the oppsite m5 to a a4
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This is really great. All the questions on my mind has been answered.
 


 

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