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Steps to completly redoing suspension.

Problems with your Suspension, Chassis, or Brakes? Problems fitting your quarterl panel? Suspension problems? Fiberglass hood fitting problems? Steering problems? Here is where you'll find the answer.

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Alright, so I want to reso my whole suspension, but I dont know what does what. As we know, I have an '83Z. I have subframe connectors that I have yet to get welded in. I was thinking of the following- lowering springs, shocks, subframes, front and read sway bars, front strut bar, lower control arms. I was told the strut bar doesnt do anything. I also have 3.42 limited slip...Can anyone explain the function of these components? Thanks :)

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Well first off when you say lower controll arms, it means the front lower "a" arm. But i think your talking about the trailing arms on the rear right? If so, their job is to just hold the rear square under the car.(front to back movement of the rear housing) Springs of course have a weight rating, which is how much weight will have to be put on that corner to compess it. (too soft and it will roll over on the outside tires very easy, too hard you wont weight transfer as well).

The shock will just dampen how fast it takes to get through your spring travel. Most aftermarket shocks (ie. pro shock, afco, etc) have a # on them. the first # on the shock is the travel. (usually a 7-9) a 7 is 7 inches of travel. The next # is your compression. the higher that # the harder it is to compress. So a 4 would be alot softer than an 8. next is the rebound, same thing with the #'s. So if you have a proshock WB974 its a welded bearing shock, 9 inches travel, 7 comp, 4 rebound, if there is no 3rd # it means the comp and rebound are the same rating.

your sub connectors and strut bar are there to take as much body flex out of the unibody, since we dont have full frames. Panhard bars are to keep side to side movement of your rear housing to a minimum.
Torque arms, ladderbars, or traction bars all help keep your pinion angle and also help weight transfer. By helping weight to transfer and holding the pinion angle it helps reduce tire hop. We usually try to set a pinion angle between -4 to -8 so when under power it will come a little above 0.
adjustable trailing arms also are a good investment.



But im sure others here can explain in more detail.
 

 
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How much you wanna spend because you really better set a budget and function before playing with suspension it's easy to go broke down there. Anyways the basic components were outlined pretty well above actually. I would upgrade to the later Iroc larger diameter front and rear sway bars. Go with new upper and lower control arms. If it's in the budget go with tubular designs for improved durability and incredible ride comfort. An *A* tower brace works wonders and truly does improve handling. Panhard bar, shocks, struts, trailing arms, and all the other pieces you can either upgrade or just go OEM it depends on budget. I would HIGHLY HIGHLY recommend buying the full energy suspension polyurethane bushing/mount/link kit for the car. It's under 300 bucks and THAT alone will greatly improve ride quality. All said and done you can build yourself an A+ suspension for under 1,000 bucks and not require refinancing your house.

Now as far as what does what and how it all functions.....
that's a 3 week course at 6 hours a day..... that'd be a very long post.
 

 
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First thing is what are you trying to do? Is it just for looks (lowering),or drag racing or what.There is no sense spending money for things you do not need. Sub frame connectors for example,why do you want them?The car is fine in stcok condition as long as you don`t have some wild motor in it. If you just want to make it handle a little better just go with all urethane bushings.You can spend all kinds of money just be sure you arn`t wasting it by putting parts on there that have no meaning to what you are looking to do. I hope I said that right. Putting things on just to say you have this and that may be a waste.
 

 
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"This is how it was explained to me by an actual f-body suspension shop
This guy actually race's F-body's , He is also a Road course championship winner in a F-body"

Great, and I'll line up 50 master A-tech's, race car builders, championship drag racers, and we'll all meet at high noon. The last person standing is the undisputed ruler of all things F-Body suspension.

That was rather heavy sarcasm there, I apologize. My point being, take the top 50 engine builders on the planet. Tell them you want a Chevy 350 capable of producing 500 horsepower and 600 foot pounds of torque and run on 93 octane gas. You'll end up with 50 different engines. Are any of them wrong? Nope. Do they agree on the most efficient way of building performance engines? Obviously not since they all build them differently. All builders have their own way of doing things. For enthusiasts I would not ever hesitate to do the fully poly treatment on the suspension because I feel with proper maintenance (lube) it provides an exceptional improvement over stock for a minimal amount of money. Will everyone agree with me? Nope. Does that mean I'm wrong? Nope. Does that mean you or the F-Body race guy is wrong? Nope. Just throwing out opinions here.

"If the front chasis of the 3rd Gen is the same as the 4th Gen
The strut tower brace does nothing, except add weight to the front of the car and sit there looking fancy for resting your hands on while checking your oil hehe"

See now here I'll have to disagree with you. Admittedly the strut tower bar isn't the worlds greatest modification but I have yet to see one serious track-done study that shows they don't have at least a minimal positive effect on handling. Sometimes it's dramatic, sometimes it's barely there, but it's always there. Plus it's a cheap part and the weight added to the front is neglible at best since he didn't say he was building a competition drag car.
 

 
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admitingly. I am curious about the STB. I want to find atricles about them

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Yeah and that is total B.S. About the strut brace
I don't care what kind of track study you need, there is none that claims that they work on a F-body and there is no claims that they don't work on a f-body
Unless you actually have one on your car, or have had one on your car CamaroTuner88 you have no point to make besides Internet Myth and folklore...
The concept has been around for a while Wouldn't you think GM would of included it in the 1LE suspension??? for such a cheap piece of metal they sure could of made alot of money off of it right???...

Atleast i have had one on my car .. And you know what i drove with it for about 9 month's and the past 3 months with out it.. And after about 15,000 miles of driving to make my point , there is no difference in how the car handles what so ever
All it did do was waste my money atleast i can admit that

Perhap's they don't do track studies on it because it is a worthless piece of metal other than cosmetic applications

I can agree with your point CamaroTuner88 on the Poly bushing's i have them , swaybar bushings, tranny mounts, engine mounts ect, ect...
Their not regular Poly but their Polygraphite and they require greasing often, they also transfer alot more suspension & road noises.. But i also can say to by self you know what, they weren't really needed probably... But unfortunately that was all that was available to me at the time.. If i had to do it again i would do it the same way.. But i am willing to replace the bushing's again when needed unlike alot of other people..

Abob also made alot of very informative comments which i didn't understand about shocks until reading that ... Thanks
And you know i can read his comment's and respect them because i know he actually race's a f-body

Haha oh yeah hey Abob Send the picture of your car to OSS that you showed me and Jake in the chatroom he want's to make a camarosource video and it told him your car was a worthy warrior...

I'm not attacking your comment's CamaroTuner88 but you have no credible comment's , You haven't commented on anything besides the Polybushing's on your car
And if that is the case then there is no point for you to make beside's the Polybushing one's .. If i am wrong then i apologize
But if i am wrong you need to clarify more on your suspension set-up stock or aftermarket..

But just like i commented on also.
that i have a set of the Rear Lower arm's and you know what i can honestly say to myself .. Their for the track only!! and for street i didn't need them..
You know what also? I probably wouldn't of needed the Arm's if i would of just bought a set of Drag radial's for my car..

I can also Bet that replacing my Shock's before the Arm's would of been more beneficial also...

The best performing street suspension would be Shock's, Spring's, Better tire's and upgraded sway-bar's
anything else would be a waste of money unless you are going to run at the track often
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As much as I love to see a good discussion on this subject, I do not wish for it to escalate to a personal attack, which it is at risk, soon. That said, just remember to always back up thoughts with links or citations or something. I do appreciate your insights here, to assist me with my suspension ideas.

My friend has a 93 Buick Roadmaster, he has it lowered and has lower control arms; thats where I got the idea.

So I should be looking at installing my subframes, upgrading my shocks, then buy lowering springs, then buy front and rear sway bars? I was going to purchase the Wonderbar for the F-bodies, I heard it was a very good piece of hardware. How much would Poly bushings be? Also, what is an estimated price that I'm looking at for a suspension package? Springs are around 150, shocks are around 450 correct? wonderbar is I think 75 or so, I have no idea about bushings, my subframes were about 100$. I am only going to get my suspension upgrades once ALL my suspension components are purhcased. That way, I will truley feel the difference.

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I'm not attacking anybody... But i do think if somebody is going to comment on the subject and debate such topic's
They better atleast have personal experience on the matter
Not just reading a bunch of Article's containing Internet myth and folklore
I can probably take 10 minutes of my time with a internet search and find many claims on both side's

Shop the Internet and price a full set of Polybushing kit's i'd say your in the ball park at 100-200 bucks for everything

Springs price sounds right

Shock's I don't know i'm still pricing them i'm sure somebody can comment on cheaper or better shock's worth trying
But personally i think i am going with Re valve shock's custom made to my application ,

Oh and i will be the 1st to Admit i am No Suspension specialist they are just my result's
But i did stay at a Holiday Inn Express HAHAHA
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Eh, not that I really like adding posts when it reaches this wonderfully nasty level, I'll add my credentials.

I am an ASE Certified Master Tech (A1 to A8 plus L1 and all the machinest certs as well). Full state inspection, emissions, 609, blah blah blah. Own and operate Dark Side Customs where we repair and customize performance oriented cars and motorcycles blah blah blah. Oh and yes I do have a strut tower brace on my Camaro. As for why didn't they use it on the 1LE suspension, your kidding right? That's like asking why Honda Civic SI's don't come with Tein coilover suspension kits. Because it's a production vehicle and regardless of the level of performance the car is marketed towards it's still gotta meet that "factory approved" level of blandness. Now they have moved away from that slowly over the years but you still really don't see certain things on cars regardless of their benefits.
 

 
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Wow lots of good reading. OSS you can change everything under the car with new stuff but again what are you looking to do with your car.If you need new things because the old stuff needs replacing then replace it just so you are safe but don`t throw good money away for nothing. Oh and someone mentioned drag radials, I just bought a set of M/T drag radials and they stick like glue ,not good for doing smokey burnouts but awesome off the line.They were about $400 american installed and were a good investment for traction but if you are going to do a lot of driving they will wear out fast.I only put on about 5000 miles a year so they were good for me. Just look at Pauls car for example ,he wants it to look great at car shows and it does but he doesn`t beat on it all the time so he doesn`t need super shocks and suspention upgrades. He puts his money in areas where it will do the most good. Lol his car will always look great ,I beat the heck out of mine all the time so I put money into nitrous and sticky tires.
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http://www.p-s-t.com/ Go to that site and Subscribe to their catalog it is free, But each catag they send you in the mail features a couple page susepsion write-up usually with Chevy Performance Mag where they take people's older cars and re-do their suspension, with before and after result's
Their price's are high and everything can be found for cheaper mostly, but the catalog they send is great.. It's a good reference tool


http://www.stranoparts.com/index.php ... This guy is good, he custom revalve's shock's for your application,
And he can do all 4 corner for 500 Buck's , Which isnt bad if you think about what you are getting
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Hehe im not sure if i can send that one its protected, also we reskinned the car and no more tape :(
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